tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6594160974720652338.post2861218888372647451..comments2023-03-18T12:42:10.649+01:00Comments on Det Logiske Snit: Den Latente ondskabThomas Bolding Hansenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12032496314247591996noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6594160974720652338.post-92213492102059406802009-01-05T01:23:00.000+01:002009-01-05T01:23:00.000+01:00Av hvor spændende, tak for linket.Av hvor spændende, tak for linket.Thomas Bolding Hansenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12032496314247591996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6594160974720652338.post-78428828389250191812009-01-05T00:20:00.000+01:002009-01-05T00:20:00.000+01:00Ja, jeg brude nok have reserachet før det forrige ...Ja, jeg brude nok have reserachet før det forrige indlæg. My bad! <BR/><BR/>Her er den imponerende tekst:<BR/><BR/>In the annals of primate ethics, there are some accounts that have the ring of parable. In a laboratory setting, macaques were fed if they were willing to pull a chain and electrically shock an unrelated macaque whose agony was in plain view through a one-way mirror. Otherwise, they starved. After learning the ropes, the monkeys frequently refused to pull the chain; in one experiment only 13% would do so -- 87% preferred to go hungry. One macaque went without food for nearly two weeks rather than hurt its fellow. Macaques who had themselves been shocked in previous experiments were even less willing to pull the chain. The relative social status or gender of the macaques had little bearing on their reluctance to hurt others.<BR/><BR/>If asked to choose between the human experimenters offering the macaques this Faustian bargain and the macaques themselves -- suffering from real hunger rather than causing pain to others -- our own moral sympathies do not lie with the scientists. But their experiments permit us to glimpse in non-humans a saintly willingness to make sacrifices in order to save others -- even those who are not close kin. By conventional human standards, these macaques -- who have never gone to Sunday school, never heard of the Ten Commandments, never squirmed through a single junior high school civics lesson -- seem exemplary in their moral grounding and their courageous resistance to evil. Among these macaques, at least in this case, heroism is the norm. If the circumstances were reversed, and captive humans were offered the same deal by macaque scientists, would we do as well? (Especially when there is an authority figure urging us to administer the electric shocks, we humans are disturbingly willing to cause pain -- and for a reward much more paltry than food is for a starving macaque (cf. Stanley Milgram, Obedience to Authority: An Experimental Overview). In human history there are a precious few whose memory we revere because they knowingly sacrificed themselves for others. For each of them, there are multitudes who did nothing." ~Dr. Carl Sagan and Ann Druyan<BR/><BR/>http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.all-creatures.org%2Fquotes%2Fsagan_carl.html&ei=CkRhSZC4CImt-gb3wtzIDw&usg=AFQjCNErFzhdVy7V3fhbotOSmQ1K79j5ow&sig2=nSWuwMDdXqCJwZcvZpFsXQAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6594160974720652338.post-37270113530636821652009-01-05T00:12:00.000+01:002009-01-05T00:12:00.000+01:00I en af Carl Sagans bøger omtaler han et lignende ...I en af Carl Sagans bøger omtaler han et lignende eksperiment med Makabe-aber, som fik mad når de gav ikke-dødelige chok til deres med-aber (fuldstændigt fremmede med-aber, men de kunne se dem). Eksperimentet blev afbrudt, da mange af aberne var villige til at sulte sig selv ihjel fremfor at uddele chok.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com